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Matt: Raquel, welcome to the WP minute.

Raquel: Thank you.

Good to be back.

Matt: We'll see if it's a
thank you by the end of this is

basically what you're saying.

Oh, yeah.

Uh, busy week.

I'm just getting back.

Busy week and a half for me anyway.

Just getting back from a non busy week.

I don't know.

What happens when you get pneumonia
and you can't move and then today's

the first day after a week and a
half you can actually do something.

Busy or not, I don't know.

But I just laid on my couch dying.

I'm back.

Uh, you've had a busy week.

PressConf has been announced.

We're going to talk about
that today, of course.

But, you know, you've been hanging
out in the WP Slack, WP Minute

Slack, for quite some time.

You're a wrangler there, that's what
we label you, wrangling all things

people, community content, etc.

But, what else have you been
up to these days, besides WP

Minute, and now besides PressConf?

Raquel: I mean, I'm still a community
manager at Elegant Themes, but the

big news is that I launched my own
business called Elegant Themes.

It's just this last August, uh, and
that's kind of a sweet little story.

Uh, there's been a life, a
lot of life happening for me

the last five ish, six years.

And decidedly my kids came first and
I've sat on this idea for quite a while.

And it was around, I don't know, maybe
a couple of years ago, people started to

ask, like, are you just making excuses?

Cause I'd been telling so many people that
I want to start my own biz again, but.

I legit have this crazy confidence that,
you know, maybe I am making an excuse,

but no matter what, it's a choice I'm
making and my choices, my kids come first.

And when my baby graduates,
I'm then going to focus on me.

And when my baby graduated, which was
last May, I kind of took the summer to

regroup and then come August, I hit the
ground running and launched my biz and my

businesses, uh, events and group travel.

And it's, uh, I put myself
through a little branding process,

which is a whole other story.

It came up with the name Wonderland
Curious, and there's a lot of

why and reason behind that.

But my very first sort of project, or
not sort of, but legit project was to

resurrect an, a new name, our beloved
old Pressnomics, and to resurrect this

new iteration of it called Pressconf.

And that's where I've been
the last, like, few months.

Just really working on that.

Matt: I've been calling it a
revival, uh, to some folks who

have been messaging me, uh, today.

Uh, but before we get to that,
but you said you regrouped.

I've been watching your Instagram.

You've been traveling all over the world.

That is not a regroup.

A regroup to me is sit home,
uh, and not try to work.

You traveled everywhere as your regroup.

What did you, what did you get out of it?

Raquel: Well, Matt, you and I are friends.

So you should know how I am.

I, I truly am an extrovert and I,
I don't, I say that like a curse.

Like I am.

I, I almost Saturdays.

I don't like it.

I don't like it.

I like legit feel like, why am I this way?

But I sort of need it.

Like, I need it to process, I need it
to therapize me, side note, I am in

therapy, but, uh, and a lot of this
travel was booked before life happened.

And when my daughter graduated,
I legit, I felt burnout for

the first time in my life.

And I think it was, I was just so
go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,

go, that when that sort of ended,
I felt like a giant boulder.

That I've been carrying for the last
20 years, I had sat down and I felt

the weight of what I had just done.

And so while I was sort of going through
burnout and trying to take a chill pill, I

had already these travel plans organized.

And so I just had to do it.

And some of it felt like, you know,
like, like, yeah, this is a lot

and I don't know how I can do this,
but so much of it felt like it.

It's exactly what I needed.

There's just so much
thought that comes with it.

And I don't travel like a tourist.

I travel like a local.

So when I do travel, I'm chill.

Matt: Yeah.

You have one Jan sport backpack
and I'm like, how does she do it?

I got, I need a whole roll.

I three roll on suitcases
to do across the country.

Raquel: No, no, no, no, no.

Yeah.

So, I mean, yes, I get it.

I look like I've been doing a lot and
I mean, I have been doing a lot just.

Just the way I work, my
personality, my psyche, everything

about me, it's what I need.

Um, and granted, when I'm home,
I've been home, I've been chillin

on the couch, I've been watching TV.

I never watch TV.

This is like all new for me.

TV, do we call it TV anymore?

I think you and I are like the exact same
age, but like, I've been watching shows.

On the couch.

It's been lovely.

So, I mean, so I have been having
some downtime for the first time.

Matt: Uh, so you, you take that boulder,
you place it down and then you take up,

pick up another boulder, strap it right
back on your back called PressConf.

Um, Pressnomics is one of those
things that is a, a real legacy

in the WordPress business space.

Um, I want to break down a
whole bunch of things here.

Uh, but let's just talk about.

Carrying or reviving pressnomics
now pressconf talk about that.

Wait for a second Impostor syndrome.

Can I do this?

Should I do this?

What went through your
head and why specifically?

revive pressnomics

Raquel: 100 yes, all of that.

Um It got to the point where I had to
uh, where there was no choice and it

probably started a year and a half ago
when the idea, the seed of reviving

prosomics came into my head and it really
became out of a need from the community.

I just, you know, post pandemic there,
you know, there was steps, there was word

camps took a while to come back in person.

Once they did, you know, there was
kind of some like stumbling, uh, to get

to, you know, a good, in person event.

And by the time I would say we're Camp
Europe 2023 in Athens, I started to hear

the community say, like, we really need
a business of WordPress conference again.

And I've long been friends
with Josh and Sally.

And so my kind of thoughts
were, let's push them a little

bit to like, bring it back.

But we all know GoDaddy
now owns that trademark.

So And let's face it, we don't

Matt: need Strebl back.

We don't need Strebl
back in the mix, right?

Just let him troll on
Twitter and he's doing good.

Raquel: It's funny.

I get it.

I still call him Josh too
and everyone says Strebl.

But yes, I get it.

Um, but yeah, so I then just a series of
just, Events WordCamp US in DC, uh, really

hearing it kind of like having this idea
talking with even Corey Miller about maybe

doing something and then really kind of
the catalyst was just, just this past,

um, spring, late winter, uh, in Taipei
for WordCamp Asia, a few things happened.

I remember hearing Robert Windisch,
uh, say CloudFest was the new

Pressnomics and I was like, fuck that.

That's not, no, and then I went on
this like mastermind community call

for WordPress and bunch of big names in
community when it comes to WordPress.

And again, they were sharing
the sentiment that we really

need a business of WordPress.

Press word camp.

And I got off that phone.

I'm like, Nope, I'm bringing this back.

And I reached out to Josh and Sally.

I was like, guys, what do we need to do?

I'm like, let's do this together.

If you don't want to,
can I have your blessing?

And I know you don't
necessarily need that.

There's been people who have
like said, like, you know, like,

who, like, why do you need that?

And I'm like, for me,
I'm a good faith person.

You know, this was very much Sally's baby.

And I want to respect that so much.

And so for me, it was like, like
I had been a part of every single

Pressonomics iteration in the past.

I helped in the past, and this
is what we want to revive.

And I don't want to do it without,
uh, being above, I don't want to say

above board, but just above good faith.

Like I want to make sure that, that I'm
going to like honor what was started.

And so, yeah, I got the blessing.

Matt: Yeah, it's about, yeah, it's like
being a good citizen in the space, uh,

you know, respecting your colleagues.

I like to say I worked for
Sally Shrebel, not Josh, uh,

when I worked at, uh, Pagely.

But I will tell you that she
did pour her heart and soul into

the, into the, uh, the show.

Uh, the conference.

I mean, everyone did.

Uh, I, I, we didn't have to
work yet or when I was there,

I didn't have to work it.

Um, but you know, the previous
ones, I know a lot of the team did.

Uh, everyone put a lot of effort into that
and you know, it's, it's great to see.

And this is why, you know, I'm not
answering for you, but this is why it

makes sense to pick something like this
because Pressnomics was always the, the,

Event you went to in the WordPress space.

Yeah, you always went to WordCamps.

We all went to WordCamps.

And when I say back, you know,
back then with air quotes, but

Pressnomics was like, ah, you know,
you just don't want to miss it.

And hyper focused on the business side,
uh, of WordPress, which Today, even,

you know, pandemic aside, which I know
is a big variable, but we're headed

into 2025 and there's still no, you
know, de facto, like that's the, the

marquee business event for WordPress.

And the fact that business isn't
really something that is, uh, again,

another marquee sort of track at
regular WordCamps is baffling.

Uh, to me and, uh, you know, we're not
going to talk about like all the stuff

happening in WordPress these days in terms
of the automatic versus WP engine, but

my God, how are they going to continue
WordCamps without revitalizing, you know,

the approach and there's a lot of bridges
that have been burned, uh, up until this

day with everything that's been happening.

So, you know, good on you for picking,
uh, Uh, Pressnomics to revive now

PressConf and then of course talking
to Josh and Sally, uh, to get their

blessing is absolutely what we want to do.

Um, before we get too far, it's PressConf.

events is the website.

You can go and at least sign up to stay
notified, but you can get your early

bird tickets by clicking on get tickets.

We're going to get to that in a moment.

Um, when you started to, uh, look at,
uh, At revitalizing this, the other

mainstay, and listen, I'm not a guy.

We just talked about this.

I'm not a guy who likes to travel and
it certainly don't like going west for

long stretches of time in an air plane.

Um, but mission palms resort is
also like one of those places that

just makes sense for this event.

I was talking to somebody
else before we hit record.

They're like, Hey, should I go?

What do you think?

Are you going to go?

And I'm just like, look, and like,
what makes us good is somebody

who's never been before, Um, or
even knows about, uh, press nomics.

And I was like, two things, the core
focus on business is amazing at press

nomics, and I'm sure it will be on
at press conf and second, the venue's

perfect because it's small enough, big
enough to relax a little bit, but also

to be around everyone at the same time.

So that's a lot of me talking
there, but you, you picked it and

replicating it at the same space,
I think makes total sense as well.

Raquel: Yeah, that was the idea.

The idea was this first iteration
and not saying that the following

iterations won't follow, but this
first iteration was going to look and

feel exactly like what we remember.

We remember, like, the idea
is that this is the revival.

This is the reiteration of it.

And Tempe Mission Poems is wonderful.

Love it so much.

And exactly like you just said, it's you
don't have to leave, you know, and even

when you do leave for lunch, you just walk
onto the strip right there, Milav, and

every single option of eating is there.

So it's just everything is
just communal at this place.

And it's happens to be also,
you know, I live in Phoenix.

So, and that's just pure coincidence.

Uh, actually Josh and Sally, we used
to live in the same suburb of Phoenix.

That's when we very first met each other.

Um, and now all of that is coincidence
and I guess convenience, but really

mostly coincidence because even if
I didn't live here in the valley,

I would have chosen the same exact
spot because it just works out.

And it's a pretty easy flight,
you know, to get to, I get it.

You come from Boston, you come from like
the furthest to northeast point of the U.

S.

But still, you know, it's
not too difficult to get to.

Matt: No, it's not.

Phoenix is where you would fly
into and then it's like, what?

I don't, I don't remember it's
like 20 minutes to drive to

Raquel: barely like 10, 10 minutes.

In fact, you can even like take
the light rail straight to it.

You don't even have to drive.

It's very accessible.

Matt: Yeah.

Um, so you, you have the idea, you're
energized to revitalize this, you've

got the name Press Conf, you talk to
Josh and Sally, you know, sort of get

their blessing or let them know that
you're, that you're working on it.

What came next for you?

I mean, granted, you've done a ton
of events in the, in the past, but

like, what was your, what was your
playbook to say, okay, I got it,

got the name ready to rock and roll.

What did you do next?

Raquel: Yeah, I, uh, I started reaching
out to my favorite people to build

the team, to really fill the gaps.

You know, um, yeah, I'm not new to
running events, um, but almost exclusively

I've ran WordCamps, you know, and
they, they work a little bit different.

And one thing, almost my entire time
organizing for WordCamp Phoenix,

including the times I organized for
WordCamp US, uh, just the team was.

Just immaculate, you know, and
especially WordCamp Phoenix.

I mean, these are like friends.

These are like people that
we like we do life together.

We don't just do WordPress together
and and that meant a lot to me, you

know, so I wanted to recreate that
like there's a lot I can do on my own.

But there's a lot that I can't
and I'm no, not too proud to beg.

And so those first steps were reaching
out to a short list of the people I

love and respect and to just build
the team, uh, a little team lean.

I remember learning that even with
Sally, I think the first time I

helped her was in 2013 and just
the way we, you know, run lean.

And that was very big for me.

It doesn't take much, especially
when people are good at what they do.

You know, and one of the
biggest things that I was super

happy about was compensation.

You know, as being able to
compensate organizers and that

we're not just volunteering, we're
actually getting our value met of

the value spent, you know, met.

Matt: If you're, if you're watching
this, I have, or if you're just

listening to this, make sure
you check out the YouTube video.

But if you're watching this,
I have the team page up.

It's of course you, Brian Richards.

Somehow this guy, Matt Madera showed
up, uh, Carol, Dave, Ryan, uh,

Nathan Atkinson, and the Nathan B
Weller, uh, on the, on the team.

Um, I've.

I've been to just a handful of meetings
so far, uh, granted I've been super

busy and, and uh, bogged down with life
and getting sick and kids, et cetera.

Uh, but what's the infrastructure
like behind the scenes?

Somebody saying, Hey, look,
I want to build out a team.

What did you spin up?

Like on the, on the geeky technical
stuff, Slack team, like what did you

use for, for software to start wrangling
and organizing all of these ideas and

people who are contributing to this?

Raquel: Yeah, well, one thing about
me is I'm all like, I just do it.

I, uh, I, people want to hate on Myers
Briggs, whatevs, uh, but for, when it

comes to Myers Briggs, I'm an ENFP.

And one of my favorite parts about
that is I don't even know what

Matt: that means, Raquel, so you're
far, far more ahead than I am.

Raquel: Just some personality,
quibs, kind of like, you know,

Enneagram, all that shit.

Anyway, the, the, uh.

Um, what was it?

It was, yeah, I'm an ENFP.

I'm a campaigner, but the P at the
end is, it stands for prospector

and this idea that you just do it.

You don't think you just do it.

And so that's, that is very much Raquel.

Like I just do it.

I'm like, we're going to figure this out
as we go, but we're just going to do it.

But, you know, me and my teams
in the past, we have our systems.

It's like, you already know.

Once you already know how to do it, the
tool you use isn't the biggest of deals,

you know, so yeah, Slack, you know,
like, it's just a small team, even if

we decide to pay, I haven't paid yet,
but like, it wouldn't be much because

there's just a few of us, but we got
Slack, uh, I mean, I'm still a Slack girl.

Matt: Notion, right?

I think we're using Notion
for some of this stuff.

Raquel: Notion, yeah, uh, my, my
girl Carol is an absolute beast

when it comes to tools and she
just went to town on Notion and

just built out this thing already.

The whole thing's built out.

I'm like, okay, this is exactly
why I have Carol on the team.

Uh, but yeah, we've got Notion going
and, um, I mean, other, other than

like the usual, like, you know, we're
processing like cards and things.

So we got Stripe and PayPal and all that.

But otherwise the main thing is like,
yeah, Notion and Slack and of course,

Google little docs here and there, but

Matt: yeah, easy, easy enough to,
to wrangle stuff like this, right?

That's what you say now, of course.

Raquel: I mean, the tools kind
of really, they're, that's not

where the problems come in, right?

The problems come in with all
the work that it takes and the,

the blood, sweat, and tears.

I mean, that's my favorite part.

I'm not going to lie.

That's my favorite part
of organizing events.

Matt: So we, we need
to get sponsors, right?

Or at least in your head,
you're like, okay, team's there,

name, they've sanctioned it.

I've got a team, I've got the tools
ready to get this thing going.

Now I need to make sure that
there's people invested literally

in this so that I can run it.

Who did you knock on?

Which door did you knock on first?

And how is that going for sponsors?

Raquel: Well, um, TBH, we are
really focusing on speakers first.

So right now, the way that
we're working is invite first.

So we are specifically inviting
certain key players in the industry,

definitely targeting most known names.

Um, and the, one of my favorite parts
about Prestonomics and what we're

keeping with this new iteration is we're
not recording, we're not streaming.

I mean, these are raw.

unfiltered talks that you got to
be in the room where it happens.

That's been my own personal tagline
for this entire event is be in the room

where it happens, because if you're
not in the room where it happens,

you're not going to see the talks.

They will not be released afterward.

Matt: Right.

Raquel: Uh, so that to me, um,
speakers are huge and the people

who buy the tickets, you know,
That's kind of makes the pudding.

So sponsors, my biggest thing
was just getting the sponsor

package, like polished.

And that took quite a bit of time, more
time than I expected because I'm used

to WordCamps and I'm used to a local
WordCamp as opposed to a flagship event.

And so that did take me some time to
like, be like, bro, uh, taking off the

WordCamp hat and I got to put on the
professional WordPress event hat and

figure out these packages, but got that.

And.

I've already been having a lot of
talks with a lot of big companies and

me and this comes with the territory
of being someone who does get around

the community and has been known
for putting on WordPress events.

And so I do have a lot of conversations
already going with your usual

suspects when it comes to WordCamp,
uh, sponsors, like the big hosting

companies and names like that.

So we could say that so
far, big hosting companies.

Matt: I think one of the things about
WordCamps is, I mean, fantastic that,

uh, there's a bunch of tracks, and
especially if you're a developer, um,

maybe slightly on the marketing side,
there's some content for you that's out

there, but when you go to a WordCamp,
you're really either super, like, when

you go to a track, I should say, at a
WordCamp, you're probably, like, super

beginner and you really want to learn
something, or you're developer, more

developer minded, and somebody's showing
off some kind of practice that, you're

like, hey, I want to check this out.

One of the sort of namestays of
Of this conference is the tracks

or the presentations were just one
room and, uh, they weren't recorded.

So even if, like, if you went to
a WordCamp, you, you, you know, in

the back of your mind, you're like,
Oh, I could go to that talk and

you're like, yeah, you know what?

It's actually going to be recorded.

So I'm going to skip it.

Uh, and then maybe I'll watch it later.

Then you never watch it later.

Uh, and then you just like miss it.

The difference here is you want this
content, you have to show up in the room.

It's because after that, it's like,
like most social media content these

days, it just disappears, right?

It's like the tick tock, uh, or
the snapchat of presentations.

If you don't catch it,
then it's gone too bad.

You'll never hear it or see it again.

Uh, so it does actually kind of make you
very simplistically make you say, okay,

I'm gonna be in the room for this talk.

And I'm going to skip the hallway
track, but then, you know, vice

versa on these other conversations.

If there's something there I don't really
care for, then I'll do the hallway track.

So I think it's super important that
you kept that, uh, same momentum.

Anything else that you're, uh, maybe
sprinkling in that's slightly different

than what we've been used to in the past?

In terms of that, uh, set up.

Raquel: Um, yeah.

Uh, to your point, uh, there is no
hallway track at PressConf, you know,

this event is for the hallway trackers.

That's who this is for.

So you're going to want
to go to the sessions.

You're not going to want
to, like, miss them.

And there is only one track,
you know, so you've got to be

in the room where it happens.

But to your point, one thing different
that we're going to add to this is

sort of, we're figuring this out.

We don't have it exactly planned
out yet, but, uh, structured

time to mingle with others.

But just basically structured,
so there will be time aside from

lunch, which has always been
like choose your own adventure.

Uh, there will be time in the afternoons.

Maybe even in the mornings where
we have structured, um, play dates,

I know you would, you would understand
that, um, but we, uh, this is the

beginning stages, but my idea and the
desire was that because this, there's

no hallway track at a press conf, the,
cause this is for hallway trackers.

We still want to allow for time aside
from the mornings, aside from the evenings

when you're staying up having these like.

brain trust sessions, you know, until 1 a.

m.

And aside from lunch, we want time,
structured time, somewhere throughout the

day where you're given the opportunity
to maybe do what you're used to doing.

Because I know at a WordCamp, so
many people are used to being like,

I run to this Ramada and we're
scheduling meetings all day long.

Nope.

You will not be scheduling
meetings at this event.

Matt: I've never been to a Ramada, Raquel.

I don't care what the paper trail says.

Pressconf.

events It's April 23rd through the 26th.

Uh, 23, 24, 25, 26 4 days if I
have, uh, if I count on my fingers.

Is it going to be 3 days of speaking?

2 days of speaking?

All 4?

Like, what's the setup?

Raquel: No, the first day is just
the welcome party in the afternoon.

And then, Thursday,
Friday are speaking days.

The Saturday is the fun day.

If you guys remember, uh, Pressnomics
in the past, there was always a day

for golf for the mats of WordPress.

That is a loaded statement right there.

But, and then a not golf option
for those of us who do not

golf, which that would be me.

So Matt, I'm actually going
to be consulting with you even

more on that because nobody on
the team golfs except for you.

So,

Matt: uh, Well, I've got some opinions.

Um, yeah.

So looking at, again, looking
at the website, press conf dot

events, at the tickets page.

You can get a VIP all access pass.

Uh, right now, early bird access is 680.

Or you can get general
admission, uh, for 580.

That'll get you access
to, obviously, the event.

Does that get you access
to the retreat days?

What's the difference between the two?

I don't know.

Raquel: Yeah, they're
basically the same ticket.

It's just that the general mission
is no retreat day, but essentially

the same, it gets you to the
welcome party and the after party,

and there is the add on option.

So if you're traveling with a
significant other, then we do have

a plus one option as well, that
they could come to the parties.

Matt: Fantastic.

Is the party going to be.

At the venue or is it
going to be somewhere else?

Or is it secret, undisclosed right now?

Can't talk about it.

Raquel: No, no, no.

The welcome party and the after
party will be at the venue itself.

Very similar to how it used to be,
our, the old pressomics iterations.

Matt: I'm trying to remember, the
courtyard area was it two levels?

Raquel: I think what you're remembering is
there was a few times we were at the pool.

Uh, but yeah, but both of our
parties will be in the courtyard.

It's so close to everything.

I mean, in the entire hotel, for
those of you who remember, and

for those of you who don't, it's,
it's circles around a courtyard.

And so all your rooms, You know, we'll
be all around that courtyard and to

Matt's point earlier, it's just so
accessible and so intimate and such

a time to connect with the who's who
and the up and coming and WordPress.

Matt: All right, Raquel.

So what's the biggest lesson so far?

I mean, I know you're still
early ish days, but you've

been working on it for a while.

What's the biggest takeaway so far?

What, what's got you, what's got
you a little stuck, but what's

also got you a little proud so far?

Raquel: Really more so me.

Um, I'm honestly been crying on and
off the past couple days and I don't,

I don't shy for my tears anymore.

But, uh, I, um, This is my
first baby, not actual children.

I've had three and I'm very proud
of those, but like in the past,

my old business was not my baby.

Um, you know, and even now where
I work, which proud to work at ET,

it's not my baby and this is my baby.

And a lot of the lessons and just
applications I've had to learn and even

in still learning is how much all of
this is, how much I believe in myself.

You know, and, and how affirmations
really sort of do work the past few

years, and I've just been like, I'm
pushing it off until my babies graduate.

And I just kept saying insane,
even when the naysayers didn't.

And then here I come and
I don't even know why.

Feeling burnout and I just do it and
then and here I am and it did not arise

by any means and there's so much more
that I need to do and and I'm excited

to do it but I I'm blown away that I
did it like because it's actually mine.

Matt: There's uh, Listen, there's,
there's a certain level of

craziness, uh, somebody needs to do
something like this to this level.

And I'm, you know, I am, I am thankful
it's you, not me, uh, number one.

Uh, but number two, like
you're the person to do it.

And, uh, I think when it comes to
getting, you know, I mean, event,

I can't even plan a birthday party.

So there's that, but to do something
like this, where you're bringing

people literally from all around
the world, it's, uh, sort of one

of these traditions that we've had
in the, in the WordPress community.

So you're, you're reviving that.

Um, and you're bringing together.

People on a subject that we're all
sort of really hungry for, right?

Work based business.

Um, there's a lot of things at play.

And, uh, you know, I'm proud to
have, uh, helped just in a tiny,

tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny way so far.

Uh, but I also think that, you
know, you're the woman for the

job for this kind of thing.

And, uh, you know, proud of you.

And, uh, really rooting for
you and, and the entire team to

get this thing off the ground.

So, press conf.

dot events, press conf dot events.

It'll be linked up wherever
you're listening or watching to

this April 23rd through the 26th.

You can get early bird tickets.

Now sign up Raquel, anything
anywhere else you want people to go.

Any, are you on blue sky?

Like what's happening these days?

Like where do you want
people to go other than.

Pressconf.

events.

Raquel: Yes.

I mean, obviously Zitter, uh,
Twitter X, uh, still have a presence.

Um, there is a, an IG cause
I'm an IG girl anyway.

And yeah, I was just thinking, I was like,
uh, ever since this past week, I feel like

everyone's like, we're moving to blue sky.

So I was like, ah, shit, I should go
squat on a, on a, a handle there too.

But you know, the usual spots
and, um, obviously people

could reach out to me as well.

Matt: The Twitter handle
for PressConf is AtPress.

Underscore two times conf,
underscore two times conf, uh,

or, you know, I'll link it up.

Double underscore, double underscore.

That's how you say that.

Jesus.

Is that what the kids say?

I don't know.

Raquel.

Uh, everybody, thanks for listening.

Thanks for hanging out.

Again, check out press conf dot events.

Uh, it's an event you're not going to
want to miss, especially if you're in

the WordPress business space or want
to be around people who are, you know,

really hungry for this kind of content.

And I think it's going
to be an amazing event.

Time.

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