An Alternative to WooCommerce: Interview with Kelley Muro of North Commerce
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Speaker 1:We're gonna dive headfirst into this conversation because I'm, super curious about what you're doing with north north commerce, what it's all about. But I saw your tweet a couple weeks ago where you were like, hey, $50,000 gets you x percentage of the business. Talk to me about that tweet. Remind remind me what that was, unless you deleted it, but remind me what that was and what it means to you and your business.
Speaker 2:Yes. So we're building North Commerce and it was a pretty ambitious move, me and another friend of mine, a developer named Dima, we're working on. And we got to this point where we're like, okay. So we see we've built something really, really great. I think we know what we need to do to go to market.
Speaker 2:But I think what's gonna I think what we need is a little bit extra cash. And so so it was this sort of, you know, tweet. We've sort of been building in public for a while, we we have a pretty decent sized community. And I thought, let's put it out there, see who's interested. And so I said, hey, 50,000 for a few percentage of North, if wanna help us innovate and invest in us and let's talk.
Speaker 2:And so I had a few people reach out to to me and and we have some things in the works right now. And so so yeah. So the community is really supportive and and I think looking for not a replacement, but another option for for ecommerce in the WordPress world.
Speaker 1:It's smart of you to sort of state it that way. I wouldn't wanna go up against WooCommerce, but I wouldn't mind being a more simplified alternative. We're gonna get to that in a moment. I bet if you put that tweet out two years ago, you probably would've had people running over with dump trucks full of cash to drop it on your drop it on your front lawn. Are you looking to build a traditional sort of, you know, friends and family round, seed round, and then go into that more traditional investment route?
Speaker 1:Are you starting to explore other accelerators and such or are you really sort of taking it more organically as as much as you possibly can?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So just recently have I started to like really start dive into the world of investments. Like I've built two other startups and bootstrap those with my brother and another partner. And so going into North Commerce, was like, oh, I can bootstrap this. This is no problem.
Speaker 2:That's what I've pretty much done for the last year and a half or two years of development. And that's all been fine and dandy. And the community has bought, purchased licenses and we've had some sales and that's been wonderful. But now like diving deeper into what what could raising money look like and how could that support the growth of North Commerce and, you know, how and then how does North Commerce fit into the WordPress ecosystem and then help, with the evolution of the block editor and full site editing and all this other stuff. So I think there's a lot of positive side effects that can come from building something like this.
Speaker 2:And so now I'm kind of looking at more at this phase of north in terms of like where we're at with revenue and stuff, just a more of a casual friends and family sort of round. And that's kind of where we're at right now. I mean, in general, never, I have some projections in the future of what could future rounds look like. Should we do them? Should we not do them?
Speaker 2:And ultimately it's like, I'm all for that. I'm all for having more money, which means more energy. If we have good partners who are interested in the WordPress ecosystem and helping the whole community or the whole ecosystem move forward versus just doing stuff and then losing control and doing things what's, you know, what's better for the business versus the entire ecosystem in general.
Speaker 1:I noticed you keep referring to it as North. Is that intentional? Like North and then there's going to be subset products or it was just how you refer to it North?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So mostly, I've just referred to as North just for the sake of, you know, losing a few syllables, but I think it's not nothing to do with woo dropping the commerce. North is not dropping
Speaker 1:the I was kinda leading into that.
Speaker 2:Just for the sake just for the sake of so the sake of speed, I guess.
Speaker 1:You know, I was joking before about, you know, a few years ago, money was rampant. Of course, we were going through crazy times and well, we still go through crazy times across the globe, but the pandemic brought a lot of money, a lot of interest, a lot of attention into the WordPress space pre AI, of course, or pre commercial AI. How has the landscape shifted since you started? Or actually, let me start with this question instead. When did you start developing NorthCommerce?
Speaker 1:When did you start developing NorthCommerce?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it was the 2021 around fall or November. So almost like to the day, two years ago around this time, we me and Dima, a developer of mine who I've worked with for years, he's based out of the Ukraine. We built a prototype and then the last fourteen days of the year in December, we launched like a lifetime deal. Hey guys, who's interested?
Speaker 2:We've got a lot of feedback that people are interested in something like this. Are they willing to pay for it? And so we did a little lifetime deal sale and it did really well. We did like $50,000 in fourteen days and we're like, okay. So the small little Facebook groups and community members have told our friends that people are interested in this.
Speaker 2:Let's start getting serious about So then January 2022, that's when we're like, okay, cool. So let's figure out how we wanna architect this. What does it look like in the context of WordPress? We want it to be built natively. We don't want this isn't our own SaaS.
Speaker 2:Like we want it to be like a native WordPress plugin that everyone owns their own data and all that stuff. And so just over the year, we've kind of iterated over what's gonna work and what's not and tested some things and then kind of come to where we're at The
Speaker 1:interest in in in money that was being poured into WordPress a few years ago was well, it was great for for my business in terms of reporting on it and, you know, having podcast interviews, writing WordPress news. Obviously, things started to dry up a little bit. I started to see that effect happen. You know, pandemic, everyone wanted their website. I used to be an agency owner, ran an agency for a decade.
Speaker 1:You know, I had people that I hadn't spoken to in fifteen years knocking on my door saying, hey, Matt. I need to sell gift cards. Can you set my website up? It's hey, man. I told you to set that website up about twenty years ago.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you're why you waited, why you didn't do it, you know, all this all this other stuff. Pandemic brought a lot of attention and all that stuff. A lot of no code, the boom of no code, and all these little sort of insular apps or siloed apps that do these specific things or big apps like a Webflow. Recently, in the Twitter sphere news about raising their prices, it's, hey, what did you expect was going to happen when you're on these platforms? What I'm getting at here is when you started North Commerce was there, no pun intended, was there a North Star of commerce aside from Woo that you were looking at?
Speaker 1:Were you thinking about doing it differently going that SaaS route? And why attach yourself so closely to WordPress?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a great question. So my main thought was like so I I I have built hundreds of of WooCommerce stores and Shopify stores mainly kind of hung out in those two platforms. I've worked with BigCommerce and even Wix. So I've kind of seen those bigger players.
Speaker 2:When it came to some of my biggest stores that I've ever built and managed that like the million, 2,000,000, 3,000,000 a year plus were built with WordPress and WooCommerce. And so I had seen I like working with WordPress because I have control of everything. So I can optimize or I could take away, I can add whatever I needed. And so it was a great opportunity for me to learn what would work versus working with Shopify or stuff. Shopify is wonderful platform.
Speaker 2:They do a lot of stuff out of the box, but then there's some limitations. And then, you know, can I convince the client to go to Plus so I can customize a little bit more? And so kind of you're at the mercy of what the platform offers. So when it came to WordPress, I've always been just a WordPress fan. So when we decided to build NorthCommerce, I wanted to build it with WordPress because of the evolution and the state that WordPress was currently in.
Speaker 2:And so this was like two years ago, we officially decided to do it. I'm like, okay, cool. So the block editor's coming up, I've been messing around with that, It looks promising. And then I met with another person, Jonathan Wold. I'm sure if you're familiar with him.
Speaker 2:Maybe some of your listeners are. He sort of started to bring up the block editor a little bit more. And so I started to do a deeper dive into that. And so then I started to capture the whole vision of the block editor and then started to dive into the implementations and saw how fast it was and how flexible it was and how easy it was to build with that. And I'm thinking, Oh, I could build North Commerce as like a block editor first solution.
Speaker 2:And I'm pretty confident I can make the fastest e commerce, the fastest and easiest e commerce solution on the internet with that pair. So it was like so then it became like this, oh, I love WordPress, so let's build a plugin. That'd be cool. To I think actually, because I'm building on WordPress, I can build the best solution that exists on the internet, which is interesting. And so that's kind of how it's evolved.
Speaker 2:And then like why we've because originally I was thinking like, oh, I could start on like my actual thought, this is like 2021. I'm like, I could start small on WordPress and then we could go to a SaaS model. I could be a separate platform and it's less infrastructure to build on WordPress. I can just build a plugin. I don't have to worry about the backend stuff.
Speaker 2:It's all done as is. And then as we started to build and get into everything, I'm like, that's not the answer actually. Building inside of WordPress natively is going to be the reason why NorthCommerce is the fastest, best e commerce solution out there.
Speaker 1:Looking at, well, I'm on northplugins.com, but the there's a banner at the top that says there's a a new site, northcommercecom. When I was talking about the no codes scene and maybe who your north star was, it's because your pricing model for one, we'll get to that in a moment. But the presence of your website, the branding definitely doesn't feel like the typical WordPress brand. It definitely feels to me like this is maybe no code experience coming into the WordPress space. Nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1:I actually like to see something different than, like, what a lot of us sort of put brands and and stereo in in the WordPress space copy, but, you know, borrow, I guess, is a better word for it. And it really had me thinking, like, when I was doing some deep research, I did use the product. I tried it out. We'll get to that in a moment as well. And I started to think, wow, they they are gonna come in and probably go to a SaaS.
Speaker 1:And I'm I'm glad you said what you said. Because I think a lot of folks coming into the space go, ah, WordPress is a great springboard. And it is for me to, you know, start here, jump to the next level. And a lot of people think once I get out of this WordPress phase of my product life, I'm gonna have, you know, smoother sailing in in the SaaS space. Not always the case.
Speaker 1:When you were building sites with Shopify, did you like that experience better than what you were doing with WordPress? Was there something there that said, yeah, at the time Shopify was really good and WordPress was a little clunky for me? Did you ever experience that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. There were times. It it that sort of, like, depended also on the client's budget. So, you know, certain certain budgets, you know, gave us some luxuries and buildings, you know, tools and other implementations on WordPress with WooCommerce that made life easier in the long run. Whereas building with Shopify sort of right out of the gate was a little bit more simplified.
Speaker 2:Their infrastructure is just there's there's one there's not not one way to do it, but there was sort of one way to get the whole job done. And then they did some of the heavy lifting when it come to checkout and things like that. Yeah. And weight calculations and shipping profiles and all that kind of stuff. So there are some luxuries when it comes to working with Shopify as well.
Speaker 2:But then it's okay, cool. This is wonderful. And then the client comes in and goes, hey, I really want, let's say subscriptions. We want to offer subscriptions. And you're like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2:I guess we could build that custom or you could use like a tool, another SaaS product that Shopify has. And those started at $199 a month. So then you had to then you jumped into that world where it's like whereas with WooCommerce, I could build a subscription add on for a lot cheaper and just integrate with Stripe directly and it's all good. And so so that's kind the difference.
Speaker 1:Friend of the show, Jordan Gahl, formerly of CartHook. So there was like, you know, big partnership with Shopify. And for all of the faults that the community gives to, let's say, Automatic and Matt Moenweg, you know, rewind about five years ago, I'm sure you saw this, like, everyone loves Shopify. They wanted to be a partner. They wanted to be in the partner portal.
Speaker 1:They were like, hey, everything Shopify is so glorious here. You know, they all everyone was, like, rejoicing when they were doing fulfillment at Shopify. Oh my god. Like, we're all gonna be one big happy platform. And it seems like the chips really started to fall over the course of the year.
Speaker 1:As the economy got tighter, so did the relationships and the costs of a platform like Shopify. Jordan Gaul, you know, exited not too happily. I'll link up the the podcast episode where he really broke that down. A lot of people loved Shopify, criticized WordPress. A lot of people love WordPress, criticized Shopify.
Speaker 1:But these platforms, Shopify, Webflow, eventually, Twitter, Facebook now wants to charge people for access. Right? Because their their ad dollars are probably tightening up, cost rising everywhere. They're like, okay. Let's just squeeze the consumer.
Speaker 1:It's just happening across the board at all of these platforms. And I feel like the open source world, those of us in the WordPress space be like, hey, man. We've saying that for years. Know?
Speaker 2:We've been
Speaker 1:telling you that for years. If you go to woo.com today, they just recently rebranded. You start looking at plug in pricing. It's just priced in a monthly, I think, or an annual fee. Let's talk about your price model.
Speaker 1:Your price model, I'm going to northcommerce.com, clicking on the pricing tab. Right now, you're running a 60% off sale. For core, it's $99 a year pro for 75 a year enterprise custom pricing. And I'm sure Mhmm. You're getting some people scratching their head and say, well, why can't I just download this for free?
Speaker 1:Why can't I just use this? Talk to us about your business model, the annual price points, the maybe higher price points to get started than let's say free with with Woo.
Speaker 2:Yes. That's a good question. So we we want everyone to so here's how we wanted to position ourselves in the WordPress space in general. We wanna be another option for e commerce in WordPress. WooCommerce, I've had a great relationship with WooCommerce.
Speaker 2:I've talked to Paul at WordCamps and WooCommerce is great. I've built very successful businesses with WooCommerce and so this isn't we're not here to build something to replace WooCommerce at all or Woo. And even if
Speaker 1:you were, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't mean to sound like a deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Don't apologize.
Speaker 2:The the but the distinction kind of helps paint the picture of why we're pricing what we're how we're pricing. So we have our InstaWP free demo previews where you can spin up a demo store for and then test out all of the features of North Commerce for free. But what we wanted to do is we wanted to not only be the premium solution, but we wanted to be the all in one solution. So you could install NorthCommerce on your site and you could build a full and complete e commerce store with nothing else. You would use your favorite page builder or block editor theme or whatever, and from there you could do everything you want.
Speaker 2:And so in order to do that, we're pricing ourselves sort of similar to like how a SaaS would or starting at $99 a year. And that gives us the cash flow to keep everything all in one. And so these are for fundamental features as well. So I wanna make it clear too that we are gonna be the all in one solution out of the box. You can build an e commerce store with just North Commerce, nothing else, and your favorite page builder.
Speaker 2:But these are all gonna be fundamental features. We still want to give the WordPress ecosystem and community the opportunity to build third party plugins and sell those and have that sort of marketplace ecosystem as well. So the main goal has always been for North Commerce to be fast, scalable, and easy to use and ready to use directly out of the box. And so we felt a fair price for that would be $99 a year. And if you're not ready you're not ready to purchase North Commerce or you're not sure it can do all the features you need, well, spin up a free InstaWP site and test it out for yourself and all the features are there ready for you to try out.
Speaker 2:And then when you're ready to build your store, you would you could purchase a license and go from there.
Speaker 1:And then the next plan up is $4.75 a year. You start getting into customer segmentation, five shipping locations, email notification builder, a bunch of more advanced features. Talk to me about the line item, put you on the hot seat for a little bit. Talk to me about the line item and the features. On the $99 plan, you can go up to a 100 k a year in online sales.
Speaker 1:$4.75, you can go up to 500 k in online sales. Is this half SaaS, half plug in? How are you tracking that number? And have you had any pushback on maybe the limitations of a store? And look, I don't think that $99 is a lot of money for generating a $100,000 a year.
Speaker 1:I don't think $4.75 is a lot of money for generating half a million dollars a year. But the the nuances of the WordPress world and maybe a lot of belief from people are like, hey. I like WordPress. I like plugins because I can go and do my own thing, make a zillion dollars, and I don't have to move Mhmm. Even if it is pocket change compared to the revenue that I'm I'm building.
Speaker 1:So talk to me about those two line items and maybe the feedback you've received from customers.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So this is a good question. And this is something that like we wanna experiment with too. So I think that there's so fundamentally, think that there's a lot of really, really great plugins in the WordPress ecosystem that are undervalued. And we live in this open source world and I think this is great.
Speaker 2:So this is one of our experiments that we wanted to see how the WordPress world reacts to a pricing model like this in general. So we have about a thousand or 2,000 people in our Discord community who interact with us pretty often. And so this was something that we had mixed reviews on. And it was almost like a fiftyfifty where people were like, what's up with the 100 k a year and I have to price things differently? And I might make a 100,000 a year, but it's not all profit.
Speaker 2:So what should I do? And so, yeah. So there's some good conversations here about this type of model. And one of the things that we wanted to do was we wanted to enable a better customer support experience for businesses that are starting to hit those tiers of revenue. And so it's okay, not only you have the features to to go and build a 100,000, 500 to a million dollar a year business, But what does that look like for North Commerce?
Speaker 2:What's the relationship look like between North Commerce and that store that's doing that revenue? Do you just want to and this might be a good question to ask your audience too. Like, is that something that you guys wanna just keep handling on your own? Or do you want our team of experts to be more connected to you at that next tier to help you get to the next million or the next 10,000,000 or whatever? Are you wanting to rub shoulders with other stores that are also doing that much revenue?
Speaker 2:And so it was more of it was less like pricing things out in terms of tiers, a CRM would with the amount of emails you have or something so that we could make more money as a business, but more like we want to be able to deliver a lot more value to you and have you be a part of a specific group of North Commerce community members that then can help you go to the next level, that the 100 to a million, the million to 5,000,000, the 5 to 10,000,000. And so I think in general, our pricing is fair right now in terms of those tiers, but more than anything, it's like how do we want that relationship to look when you're hitting those numbers? And so I know Wu does a good job of this with some of their enterprise people, but I know some I've run three stores that have been doing $2,000,000 a year in revenue and Wu never reached out or never we never heard anything from Wu. And and not like we needed to, but, you know, if we could if we could collaborate with them and their experts and other stores doing that, it could have been very helpful.
Speaker 1:My opinion, not that you asked, But
Speaker 2:I'd love to hear either way.
Speaker 1:You know, for me, it's look, it's it's easy for and this is probably why you get it to the ecommerce space, why most folks focusing on the ecommerce space is because generally, it's a easy transaction. You can say, I'm going to build this thing for you. You're gonna make money from it. So obviously, where's it's easy for me to negotiate, you know, a cut. Right?
Speaker 1:Versus somebody who's just, I'm gonna sell you a form plug in. It's just contact forms. You know, you're not doing any transaction with them on your side, so it's not as valuable to you as it is to the person who might be using it for a donation form or selling a simple product. What I would do is Right. I think everyone at this day and age, my god, twenty twenty three after going through COVID and just seeing how fragile commerce is in general, offline and online, how fragile the Internet still is, that it's easy for me to say $4.75 a year, no sales limitations, even though that might be a virtual ceiling.
Speaker 1:But pay us $5,000 a year for this extra support fee. You don't need it? Totally fine. But I think anyone who's doing business in that space or at that price point can easily make that shift to say, I need an expert or I need that white glove approach to the solution because I don't wanna lose my job, you know, as the gonna not come off right, but as the middle tier marketing person in my company or commerce person in my company and I have VPs above me, like, Jesus. You know, but I want this alternative here.
Speaker 1:It's super easy to use. Woo is just too complex. I want this thing, but, yeah, five grand, I'll hold hold my hand a little bit and help me implement these things, you know, within reason or support, something like that. So I think Yes. Like the virtual barrier might be, an issue for some folks in the WordPress space.
Speaker 1:But this is also sort of like the thread of me asking you all about all these questions about commerce, you know, years ago, Shopify branding and stuff like that. I built a site for a guy you might know, Andrew Yudarian from ecommerce fuel. I don't if you ever came across him. He has a massive community of, ecommerce folks. And I think still today, I I built him this website, I don't know, a decade ago.
Speaker 1:He has this community of of ecommerce people that it's still Shopify to my to my knowledge. And I remember a few years ago when he first discovered WooCommerce, he was like, I don't know what this little homebrew plugin is over here. This little ecommerce plugin known as WooCommerce. Andrew, it's bigger than Shopify. You know, this is me telling him years ago.
Speaker 1:Like, you but you don't see it that way. You just see it as, like, this geeky thing that a hobbyist has to build to do this thing. You look at Shopify and go corporate infrastructure branded. It's all in one spot. I'm gonna go attack this.
Speaker 1:On your enterprise tier, do you have anyone sort of like, oh, what's this, you know, why do you have to be associated with WordPress? Do you feel like you might be better off if it were standalone when you start to have those enterprise conversations? I'm only asking because I know the branding of WordPress and WooCommerce is already complex. When you start to tell people, hey, put your business online with me and I'm using WordPress. Some people may be like, you know, don't really know about you yet and you're using WordPress.
Speaker 1:I feel a little too too shy to do something like that. What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think that's a good that's a good point. I think that there's so WordPress WordPress' reputation when it comes to enterprise is pretty good, but not a lot of people necessarily know the the the enterprise WordPress, the White House website and Fox moving over to WordPress, like all these really big brands that are using WordPress at an enterprise level. So I think I think that the the WordPress one is is an easy one to overcome. And with good hosting partners, that makes it even easier too.
Speaker 2:So when it comes to our enterprise customers, we have hosting partners that help us accommodate them and support them at that scale. But when it comes to our brand, especially this early on, think that it is pretty challenging to close a deal on a new platform like NorthCommerce. That's only been around for pretty much a year or less in terms of production ready. And so so yeah, I think pairing with WordPress and having and being able to show other enterprise solutions or enterprises businesses that are built with WordPress can make it easier for us to segue people over. But I so I do think the most challenging part is going to be like showing our hey.
Speaker 2:Like, we can help support you and we can help you scale and, you know, we're stable and and, you know, we can handle anything that comes our way because we're so new, like, reputation is still is still growing.
Speaker 1:Last few questions here. We said at the top of the show that you're not trying to be a replacement for WooCommerce, though, maybe an alternative, a more simplified alternative. It was definitely easy to use, easy for me to understand. I used the the InstaWP site demo site when I first saw your tweet a couple weeks ago. How are you going to manage, if at all, that simplicity?
Speaker 1:I think that's the biggest one of the biggest challenge in product development is a lot of us start out as minimalistic, super focused. You start building up that reputation, you start building up clientele, everyone loves you for it, and then all of a sudden you become Notion. And it's like, is this thing in front of me? Right? Or ActiveCampaign.
Speaker 1:It's just like, hey, this is awesome. Fields and automation, totally get it. It's cool. I can send emails. And then ActiveCampaign became launching a NASA rocket ship.
Speaker 1:Right? I was just like, I don't even understand what this is anymore. How are you gonna keep that minimalistic approach if at all as the product evolves?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So this is a great question. This is something that we've spent a lot of time thinking about. So when it comes to North Commerce and like Haikai had mentioned earlier, like we all the fundamental features or what we would define as a fundamental feature for an e commerce store is going to be ready for you out of the box. Anything extra, even that we develop or third party developers develop, will all be available to activate within our integrations area of the of the plugin.
Speaker 2:So if you installed NorthCommerce, then you go to integrations. Right now, you'll see a small list of of integrations. But in the future, what you'll see is a ton of different integrations and add ons that will help enhance the North Commerce experience. And so someone who wants to sell jewelry, is just getting started, might just want North Commerce Core and those fundamental features and they can do that. Or if you imagine someone who is doing 5 or $10,000,000 a year selling supplements that wants subscriptions and one time purchases and custom account area and all sorts of different things, you'd be able to activate those add ons to give you those features inside of North Commerce.
Speaker 2:And so you'll be able to have some modularity within North Commerce. And and then we have a a set standard of how things are implemented so that things stay organized and things work together. And even third party third party apps so that there's no conflicts, no confusion, and and hopefully maintain this this simplicity to north. But if you can still be as advanced as you'd need for your business.
Speaker 1:I'm not a developer, but for those who are developers, this is like a complete React app inside WordPress. What what's it built on?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So this is all native PHP, JavaScript, HTML. So there's no React other than I guess our Gutenberg blocks. But yeah, so everything's just rendered server side with PHP. Then we've built like our own So any developers listening, we've built sort of like own ORM or standardized way of querying data and getting data and posting data.
Speaker 2:And then all of that's baked into one entity is that we call it. So anyone that wants to access North Commerce data, they can do so through that. Anyone that wants to create an add on for North Commerce as well, they can hook into that as well. And then they also inherit all of our filtering rules and our security rules. So it makes all these third party plugins work together really, really nicely with North Commerce so that if random plugin that was developed by someone in India and then another random developer from the Ukraine develops a plugin for NorthCommerce, the way our ORM is set up, as long as they follow our documentation, those will work together perfectly.
Speaker 2:And you could query those. So there's no separation of data. Know when you're working with WooCommerce, sometimes you have this random developer uses custom post types and this one uses a custom database table. And then you if you want those to talk to each other, it's you have to do your own custom thing for that and it gets complex. And so our Classic system editor.
Speaker 1:I mean, know what I mean? They're just really trying to wrap my head around that one.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Yeah. So we're we're a lot simpler when it comes to that. Then for all the developers out there that wanna work with North Commerce, we have a standardized way to do that and it makes life a lot easier.
Speaker 1:Notice at the bottom in the footer, there's North fulfillment coming soon?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So this is an interesting idea we've had for some of our enterprise clients who are who have low SKU count and then a large monthly order volume where we would offer fulfillment for those people. So you integrate directly with North, we fulfill your orders and depending on where you're at right now, it would just be in The States, but this is still sort of coming soon.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Ambitious. I love it. Northcommerce.com. What's so what's coming up next?
Speaker 1:I know I got my Black Friday sale already on November 7. Can't believe it. What else you got going on?
Speaker 2:Yes. So we have our Black Friday sale we're doing where we've partnered with Gildenburg as well. This is a new WordPress accelerator and we've partnered with some other products to launch a really, really great Black Friday deal. And we have some hosting partners that are also launching that with us as well. So that's exciting.
Speaker 2:We're launching our first North Commerce theme called Commerce One. And this is sort of a preview of what you can see of that is on the InstaWP version. And so that'll be our first block editor block. And then now we're working with some people as they're building their stores, optimizing North Commerce as we start to run into different bugs and things like that. Then, yeah, so next year is plan to launch like a full version of NorthCommerce optimized super, super fast.
Speaker 2:And if you wanna use if you haven't already used a block editor theme or builder like Cadence or something, I would highly recommend doing that and building a store with NorthCommerce and the block editor. You'll a much faster experience than you would with any Shopify or Webflow or Wix store and also with WooCommerce as well. So I recommend everyone trying out the free preview on northcommerce.com.
Speaker 1:That's right. Check it out northcommerce.com. Kelly, thanks for hanging out today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me.
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