The WP Minute+

Matt Medeiros (00:01)
Justin Nealey, welcome to the WP Minute.

Justin Nealey (00:04)
Thanks for having me.

Matt Medeiros (00:06)
I have to clear the ⁓ FCC rules. GoDaddy is a sponsor of the WP Minute. Thank you so much for you and your team for sponsoring that. But this conversation is not scripted or directed by GoDaddy by any measure. We're going to talk about AeroSight Builder. More importantly, we're going to talk about what Justin does at GoDaddy day-to-day. Principal product manager. What does that mean in your world?

Justin Nealey (00:31)
Yeah, it means I wear a lot of hats. So working on AeroSight Designer, I lead kind of the direction and strategy of the product and then working with my UX UI design team and my engineers and marketing and everyone else to drive the product forward. Folks have said like equated product manager to a mini CEO. I don't necessarily like that, but it's I have all the responsibility and none of the power to get things done.

a lot of influencing and begging and asking.

Matt Medeiros (00:58)
Ha ha.

Yeah, GoDaddy, big organization. I've learned that ⁓ over the years with Adam, known Adam for many years. He's in the WP Minute Slack and he's sort of my point person, excuse me, for sponsorship at the WP Minute. But he's really, and of course Courtney Robertson, and sort of like open up our eyes to, you know, what I'll say is a lot of criticism, not just for GoDaddy, but for any large organization. And I think what people lose sight of is

No matter what, in any large organization, it's just a lot of people. A lot of things, when things need to happen, there's just a lot of layers of human that one must go through to get stuff done. I haven't seen it done. I mean, I see it at 50 person companies, 100 person companies where things take forever to get done. I can't imagine what it's like, you know, in a larger organization. And that's not a slight, that's just, it is what it is, man. It is what it is. In your world,

You compound that on top of, let's say, WordPress, where also has human issues of getting things done. Why doesn't the site, full site editor do this? Why don't we have a block for that? Well, people have to go and develop this stuff. I would say that makes building unique products like Aero on top of an open source platform called WordPress double difficulty. If you could at any...

In any way, could you illustrate what it's like to develop unique products on top of WordPress, which is this big open source beast?

Justin Nealey (02:37)
Yeah, it's been a beast. mean, working at a large company, you've got to steer a ship going slowly, slowly, slowly. We have gotten a lot better at moving quicker and making decisions faster. That's probably the biggest roadblock is just getting to a decision. Everyone has some valid points and there's all these different options, but we've got to be able to go fast and then pivot faster if we.

Art in right direction, which is what we've done with site designer more times that I can count, especially with the tech that gets unlocked. Like we were working on just getting more integrated into the WordPress experience really fell in love with the WordPress MCP plugin tool. Now that's deprecated and now it's the MCP adapter and the abilities API coming that we'll need to integrate with. So it's trying to just.

juggle all the things while still making progress forward. There's no perfect answer. It's just gotta be flexible and be okay with throwing away code.

Matt Medeiros (03:31)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Aero is leveraging everyone's favorite acronym these days, AI. I mean, I want to get to that in a moment. But it's also leveraging, at least from our experiments, some of the other what I'll call GoDaddy WordPress technology with air quotes, like co-blocks and the theme. When you are a product manager, let's say for Aero, how do you account for like, you know,

We have to use WordPress technology that we've already built and incorporated that all together. Like, how do you get that cohesiveness in such a big organization and for such a big endeavor that Arrow is?

Justin Nealey (04:17)
Yeah, I don't know if it was as big as that. I mean, we've definitely wanted to stick close to core as much as possible. And it has unlocked a lot. Like we've thought about potentially like having flexibility to work with other builders, but really made a decision of like Gutenberg first. Let's see what we can do with with basically what the future of WordPress is. Full site editing unlocks a ton with the templates.

There's some stuff missing that we're working around with AI generating. AI doesn't fully know Gutenberg blocks and all the fullsight editing stuff yet. So something that the tackle. Coblocks we've only implemented a little bit just to fill in some of the gaps like forms and icons. And that's pretty much it for the most part. But it's really just, I think the biggest hurdle was getting our engineers that were, that knew the GoDaddy system and the GoDaddy ecosystem now learning.

how to work with AI and becoming WordPress experts and how to work with those together. It's just been trial and error.

Matt Medeiros (05:18)
I'll put you on the hot seat for just a second. I'm curious how you think about, like AI is just like you mentioned. We went from one MCP plugin to the next and I don't know, it like 48 hours. This stuff is moving at an insanely fast rate and also you mentioned LLMs might not be 100 % on how to develop with Gutenberg yet. Have you thought about the big thing in WordPress is whatever, Five for the Future, giving back to WordPress, contributing to Core.

Justin Nealey (05:28)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (05:45)
Have you thought about how you take all of this knowledge of AI and give that back to the WordPress community as you all build and experiment with this stuff? Even if it's just knowledge of, tried this, it didn't work, here's what we did and what didn't work. Have you thought about giving back at that capacity at all?

Justin Nealey (06:05)
yeah, definitely. We have a few folks working and being close. Like Evan has been one of the closest to a lot of stuff bridging the gap between the AI and MCP. We're doing a couple things internally to try to get the MCP stuff working that we want to contribute back to the platform. I'm just trying to stay more in tune. I don't know that we have any direct findings yet. We have a lot of stuff that doesn't work that we can probably definitely share.

And we're getting closer to figuring out like how to really work with the LLM system and creating these different tools. And I've even most recently given back to the playground and open up a few PRs for the first time. So we're definitely trying to keep that top of mind. Of course, we can't give away all the secret sauce, but there's definitely should be stuff that should be shared across that can help every WordPress user, no matter if it's a GoDaddy customer or if it's you or whoever else.

Matt Medeiros (07:00)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. What is the most exciting? mean, obviously aside from Arrow, and I know you're, I know you'd be biased about it, but like, what's the most exciting thing for AI and WordPress for you? Like when you look at putting these two technologies together, what is the most exciting part with AI and WordPress for you right now?

Justin Nealey (07:00)
So yeah, definitely top of mind for us.

Yeah, I think it starts to like the biggest hurdle with WordPress that I've seen and I'm sure other folks have seen too is a new user getting started. Like going into the WordPress dashboard, that used to be the easiest experience against other experience that were available years ago. Now, not so much. It's pretty overwhelming. AI makes that super easy. If I can say, hey, I need to set up a booking solution and add it to this page.

I don't have to figure out, all right, go to plugins and find something that can do that. And then figure out how to configure that. Then I have to figure out how to put that on the page and then make sure it works. AI eventually is going to be able to help us do that and accomplish and bridge those gaps and just get people sped up faster while showing them how to do it themselves. So it's not like a level bull where they're, they're in net new code and now they're left with a code base they can't manage. It's like, we've strung along these solutions and you're left with WordPress and you can manage it.

Matt Medeiros (08:14)
Yeah,

yeah, and even understanding, you know, I tried when WordPress.com launched their AI builder, whatever X amount of months ago, and I tried it out. was like, okay, great, like we can build some pages, you know, thumbs up. But what's most interesting to me, kind of like what you just said with AI is helping people understand why AI actually even made the decisions that it made. I spend a lot of time in a platform called Replit, you know,

building out some things that I like to kind play with. And their new Agent 3 is nice because it's a lot more verbose and telling you why it's doing what it's doing. Still not getting it right all the time. Still might not be working the way they promised V3 was gonna work. But I do appreciate the fact that as somebody who's a non-developer, especially in JavaScript, I have learned a ton from developing in AI.

Justin Nealey (08:42)
Yep.

Right.

Matt Medeiros (09:08)
say in React, because these tools are explaining to me as it's building. I ask it to make something, it's adding a database table, it's telling me why it's doing that, telling me why it's using a package on the front end. And I guess so long as you're reading it, it's a great education process. I'd love to see that some brand new user who builds a homepage and says, this is why we use the hero block. What does a hero block mean to you and your site design? What does this call to action button mean?

it means people might buy from you when they click it. Those are things that people just don't know, brand new people to building a site just don't know. And that's the kind of opportunity I would like to see as well.

Justin Nealey (09:43)
Sure.

Yeah, the thinking has been huge to just getting that quick understanding. Like when we, in our current rewrite, we're essentially making a new version of our AeroSight designer that we've just recently launched. It's pretty exciting, but like something as simple as installing a plugin, asking like, or just going through the thought process of why we installed a certain plugin and then dropping them on the plugins page to show them.

Hey, this is where you go to manage the plugins and then taking them to the next stage of like, all right, here's where you go to configure it. So it's not just, we did it all go have no idea what you're doing. It's taking them along on the journey and then they can manage themselves. So they're not overly reliant on AI. It's a companion, not a replacement.

Matt Medeiros (10:29)
Yeah, for sure. There's another question on AI before we get to more in depth on the Aero stuff. Curious, how do you, do you leverage, besides coding, like how do you leverage AI if at all for this kind of role, right? For being a product manager, like what are you doing with AI, whether it's Chan, GPT, Claude, or whatever you're using to help with those day-to-day tasks? And I'll caveat with this, to be honest, I'm like,

right in the middle still with AI? Like, I'm building stuff, I'm like, this is really cool. And then everyone's like, it's coming for your jobs. And like, if I work with it to make a blog post, I'm like, you still can't get this right. we're still not, like, you don't understand the knowledge that I have in a particular space or category. I don't see it yet. Yet everyone's telling me that, you know, we're all doomed because of this stuff.

Justin Nealey (10:58)
Mm-hmm.

Matt Medeiros (11:23)
How do you leverage it in your day-to-day task? Is it really doing that much for you? And what are your general thoughts in that space?

Justin Nealey (11:30)
Yeah, I think I'm like 80 % AI at this point. As much as I use it. I even started to test out perplexities new Comet browser for the agentic browsing. Been using it for some like end end testing for me. So I'm like, hey, go through this flow and then map out all the bugs and weird stuff that you've seen. It does a good enough job summarizing big long threads between all the people working on a specific thing.

Just getting that quick recap, getting early drafts of strategies kind of together. A lot of research is probably the biggest thing that I use it for, at least these days using either perplexity or chat TBT's deep research. I'm just going in like, give me a pain point of a new user for WordPress. And it'll go in, find a bunch of relevant resources that I would have found eventually. And then summarize it. And I could take it a step further, but I see it as

giving me a head start and not necessarily the final result. So it's still me at the end of the day.

Matt Medeiros (12:30)
Matt Mullenweg brought up something interesting at his keynote at WordCamp US where he talked about these agentic browsers like Comet where he said, imagine a scenario where you're just asking the browser to build pages in WordPress because it understands Gutenberg blocks. I thought that was rather interesting and I took to task my Comet.

Justin Nealey (12:54)
You

Matt Medeiros (12:54)
As

well, and it just did not do it like it was I was like, please run as like Matt Just said this pleased it and it was just like we can't it doesn't work that way. Like it doesn't it doesn't do anything So I've only experimented just a little bit with with comment and it's nice to have that I wish I could use more of it I guess essentially is what I'm trying to say. Like I wish I could use I could find a pure Use case for comment every day. Maybe testing is is a great place to start. Maybe that's something I should look at

Justin Nealey (12:57)
So.

Yeah, I try to make it a goal of whatever I'm doing, trying to use AI to do it first. And most of the time it doesn't work, but it's a lot of experimenting and learn by doing, not by reading. Most of the other use cases may not work for me, but I'll find something random that are like, cool. That shaves off 15 minutes on my day. Compound that. That's a ton of time.

Matt Medeiros (13:44)
Is that an internal directive at GoDaddy for folks to learn and explore AI?

Justin Nealey (13:49)
yeah. So we have these things called boulders at the company where it's like these big company wide initiatives and leveraging AI is one of our boulders and company initiatives. Like we have our internal AI systems that we can chat with and interact with. We have our own tools. They want, I forget what the percentage of code generated by AI at least to start and just figure out use cases and share what you know so the entire company could upskill.

Matt Medeiros (14:15)
Yeah.

Yeah. What's your favorite LLM to work with?

Justin Nealey (14:21)
gosh, it depends on the use case. I am...

Matt Medeiros (14:23)
What a wild statement

to ask in the year 2025.

Justin Nealey (14:27)
I mean, I've been all in on cloud code, just creating some like random ideas and thoughts. I've been testing out GPT-5 codex model that just released a couple of days ago. It's pretty, pretty great. And it's, it's verbose. Like you were saying where it'll talk through a lot of the thinking. So I understand what it's doing along the way. And does more than just coding. I'll have it.

do some of the strategy and other context using something like, I forget the file system MCP so it has access to all my files. So I give it some extra context of what I'm working on and it does great.

Matt Medeiros (15:01)
Yeah. I haven't played with Codex yet. I was on my to-do list. I was away on vacation when like the big hype cycle came up about it. And you know, these days it's like we got weeks, weeks to try it before like something else comes out. But is there Codex a competitor to Cursor? Is it an IDE in that sense where you just boot it up and you're working or is it all just like command line based?

Justin Nealey (15:22)
So Codex has three options of using it either through cloud, through GPT or access like a GitHub repo and go against it. It does CLI and it's integrated in IDE. So there's a Codex extension that you can install on like either Visual Studio Code or even Cursor and then use it in conjunction with it.

Matt Medeiros (15:40)
Okay.

in conjunction

with that. cool. Let's talk about Arrow. We did a cover story on it and that'll be linked up in the show notes. I know Arrow is more than just one thing. Can you give us that elevator pitch of what Arrow is so the folks can understand the many facets of Arrow? And I'm not spoiling anything, but Adam has told me there's some future things coming, which are also included with that Arrow, what I'll call branding or umbrella.

So what is Aero to you today?

Justin Nealey (16:13)
gosh, I probably should have prepared this with the team. ⁓ mean, Arrow is everything that we do at GoDaddy related to AI, but also just optimizing a user's business. So it's powered by AI for the most part, optimized by internal tools and all connected, or at least it's working towards that path.

Matt Medeiros (16:16)
Ahem.

Justin Nealey (16:37)
So we have like our arrow website builder. We have our arrow site designer for WordPress. We have our arrow logo generator. All these different solutions solving these jobs to be done for our customers. So arrow is basically everything you could do at GoDaddy leveraging AI to do it faster.

Matt Medeiros (16:57)
And is it fair to say that Site Designer is, I guess, the current module in that or the current subproduct in that site? How does AeroSite Designer stand out, I guess, from the rest of

Justin Nealey (17:12)
Yeah, so we have a couple different AI builders today. We have our Aero website builder for our GoDaddy proprietary website builder solution. Then have Aero site designer for WordPress. We're really great at naming things sometimes. We are working on creating a more unified system. So a user can go in and say, here's what I'm trying to accomplish. Here's what I'm trying to do. And then we just get them on the best path forward. So there's not this whole confusion.

And I'm owning the WordPress track. we're, tell us a little bit about your business. We'll ask you some questions and we'll generate the first version and you can iterate and ask for like, change this color and some more content. Let me get people a quicker start. I mean, it's really no different than like choosing a template. It's just a lot more personalized and created for you. Um, and, we're just getting started with a lot of the cool stuff that has been unlocked by technology that's come out in the gosh, recent weeks, if not.

a couple months here.

Matt Medeiros (18:13)
Yeah. How do you, I mean my day job is at Gravity Forms. I'm on the WordPress community side of it, marketing side of it, but I, because I'm on WordPress, I've been using Gravity Forms since, I don't know, 15 years ago, and since almost the beginning, and I provide a lot of feedback back to the product team. I talk to a lot of people, I bring that stuff back. How does, at GoDaddy's size, and,

I'm just curious, like how do you funnel feedback to such a cutting edge piece of technology that AI is? How do you get that feedback back from the end user who's like, I'm trying to talk to this thing and it's not giving me the site that I want. Like, how do you bring that back in a cohesive way?

Justin Nealey (18:58)
Yeah.

Yeah, so a couple of different avenues. mean, the simplest form is we have an exit survey. So either you leave the experience or you finish it. You can drop your comment in. We have a Slack channel with between, gosh, I think there's a couple hundred people in there now that have been working on the project or touching it or just want to keep eyes on it. Daily that feedback comes in. So we see what people are talking about every day. We have full story sessions so we can go and watch what happened to those interactions so we can really dive in and.

dig in and see what's going on. So that's a big piece is just the survey feedback. We have a link on the exit survey so they can set up a meeting with me so we can just talk about their experience. I give them an Amazon gift card for their time. And just to get that visual experience or visible feedback immediately of, you just went through this, you either gave us a great score or a negative score. Let's talk about it. Like we're finding that after a user generates their first version of their site,

They're just continuing and they don't know that they can keep asking for edits, even though the chat message says it. we're implementing something to say, Hey, don't go like, tell us what else you want. just getting that quick feedback in. then our design team does user testing and gosh, we have so many different things that we do to just keep the customer top of mind and really try to build for them the best way we can.

Matt Medeiros (20:20)
Kind of just thinking off the cuff here, but like ⁓ like when you ask a question or if you ask something of You know chat GPT if you're in the native browser of chat GPT, and then it gives you two Responses and it says which one do you want have you considered like designing two different websites and saying which one do you want or is is that like? Gonna be a native thing anyway. It's just like we're gonna give you a bunch of variations. You just pick

Justin Nealey (20:43)
It's on the roadmap. have, we're going to be generating in the new version, like three different, essentially homepages in WordPress. get to kind of pick from and choose your almost Templar style. But if you're going and building and you're like, wait, actually liked option two. Could I go back to that? We have it all saved. We just switch out your style, switch out the sections. Content stays the same. Yeah, definitely top of mind. Cause people with AI, we've learned that

They like the quickness, but they still want to feel like they're in control and have a say in their site. So we want to start to them figure out that balance of like what's enough control versus letting AI do the job versus where they want to kind of dip their toes in.

Matt Medeiros (21:13)
Yes.

I guess that's like the native advantage that AI provides and what I think everybody's looking forward to is you could even not prevent, you could come before that exit survey, preempt, could preempt that survey by having, maybe training AI to be like, what do you think? Was this useful for you? Was this?

Justin Nealey (21:35)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (21:42)
Do you like the image that we put here, yes or no? And you could kind of actually, you know, it's weird to say because everything is so binary right now. It's like, yes or no, move to the next step. This thing, AI, could be actively prompting the user, not only explaining it, but getting that satisfaction level. And even in a longer term timeframe, like a week, a month, a year goes by, AI can go and start asking the user,

Justin Nealey (22:02)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (22:13)
Is this site working for you? Like you designed this six months ago. Is it time to think about maybe adding another product page, adding that blog post, like doing a thing that's going to move the business forward? think that's one advantage there. mean, no direct question, but sort of just thinking about it like as a whole, like how it can help customers.

Justin Nealey (22:32)
Yeah, get out of my head. No, it's definitely tough. We have a simple like thumbs up, thumbs down or responses and when the site's generated, but we kind of want to take that a step further. We're implementing evals is the big thing with AI right now. So not only like, did it generate the block correctly, but the content in the block, did it pass what the score is we give it? Is it relevant? Did the user actually continue with it so we can start to train our AI better over time?

Matt Medeiros (22:34)
Hahaha

Justin Nealey (23:02)
And then bringing this into not just site creation, but site editing after you launch your website for that ongoing of, here's your traffic. Here's what's working. Here's what's not. Here's what's trending. Here's what you might want to consider implementing. have the page ready for you. Do you want to make it go live?

Matt Medeiros (23:18)
Yeah.

Without giving away the secret sauce.

The question that comes to my mind from your sort of business operations side is, well, here's the direct question. Is GoDaddy building their own LLM or refining their own LLM for this kind of product? Or does GoDaddy rely on, okay, we've got ChatGPT and we model everything off ChatGPT with 20 % of our

secret sauce, but if chat GPT gets better, then our solution gets better. Or does GoDaddy at that size just say, nah, we can build our own, maybe base it off an open source LLM and then enhance it there. Dodgy question, but what can you answer on that side of things?

Justin Nealey (24:08)
Yeah,

we're definitely leveraging what's available. I don't think that we have plans of creating our own. That's a whole big thing that gets away. Like we just want to help customers build their stuff. We are working on implementing like kind of with the eval system of, Hey, what's the best LLM for this request? Sometimes it's GPT-5, sometimes it's Claude, sometimes it's Gemini, sometimes it's Grok, sometimes it's something else. So we can start to like,

Matt Medeiros (24:16)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

Justin Nealey (24:36)
really like interjective, like based on this, like we know this one excels and it's quick. So we'll be starting to test around and figure that out. But it's all optimizing kind of the same, the question you asked me earlier, like what's your LLM of choice? Like it depends on the task. Research, I love perplexity, making my Slack responses better. I love chat GBT to make me sound smarter.

Matt Medeiros (24:55)
Yeah, I'm really interested to see, which is a weak statement, but I'm interested to see where WordPress and AI goes, of course, with tooling from folks like you at GoDaddy. it's that sort of, what I'll say, that top layer, top to interior layer of WordPress to a degree. You can prompt it to help you ideate with WordPress. You can prompt it to help you.

Justin Nealey (25:00)
Hmm

Matt Medeiros (25:18)
move things around in WordPress or create content in WordPress. I wonder if you have any thoughts on this. Like, the thing I'm really watching for and waiting for is how does core WordPress integrate with AI because to me, I'm not seeing a lot of advancements. I follow a lot of stuff on on Hugging Face and which is for folks who've never heard of that before, I'll call it the GitHub of LLMs, which is, know.

Justin Nealey (25:42)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (25:47)
50,000 foot view, but essentially it's open source, what I'll call open source AI. And WordPress is a flagship, if not the flagship, open source application for humanity. You know, maybe besides the Linux kernel, in my opinion. How WordPress Core integrates to AI is a big decision, I think. And I'm just curious if you have any thoughts of like, do you ever see WordPress Core needing to have like,

Justin Nealey (26:08)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (26:14)
Paste your OpenAI API key right here, you know, inside of an options page. Or is it more about, no, make the code sane and documented and open, and then let the LLMs do whatever they need to do to WordPress. Essentially, do we need AI in core WordPress, whatever that means.

Justin Nealey (26:34)
Yeah, probably the latter. mean, if it to go on the open source track, if that were the case, I mean, these, these local LLM models are getting better and smaller. Eventually it might just be a local LLM package in core that does a good enough job for, for most things. but I think it's the, the layering on top of making sure that LLMs understand WordPress and Gutenberg and core and can interact with it.

The MCP adapter and the abilities API for folks that don't know, I think we'll start to unlock a lot. So the abilities API is built for theme developers and plugin developers was saying, we'll say WooCommerce is example. Hey, LLMs, here's how to interact with my plugin. Here's all my tool calls. Here's how to do all the things. So now I can just say, Claude, here's my WordPress site. Add a new product, set this thing up, set my shipping rates to this. I don't need to teach Claude how to do that.

WordPress or WooCommerce has already added that to the abilities API, telling it how to do all the things. So that's going to be really huge as more and more plugins and themes adopt that practice.

Matt Medeiros (27:42)
I want to vent for a second. I vented about ⁓ MCP when MCP was getting all the hype X amount of months ago. And everyone was like, I was going to replace the API, the REST API and all this other stuff. And I'm just like, it's just another layer where, for instance, we all have to play nice in this MCP space. Well, there's this MCP space and then there's that MCP space and there's that MCP space over there. And I just see it as just,

Justin Nealey (27:43)
Please.

Matt Medeiros (28:09)
It's just another thing where a company can go, yeah, you can get access to this, but only for this many requests. And actually that response is gonna be filtered in some, I just see it as even more potential control that's a lot more vague than we're only gonna give you 10,000 API requests per month. Like what Twitter did, or Twitter shut it down or whatever. Or now you're gonna pay like a zillion dollars to get access to.

Justin Nealey (28:31)
Yep.

Matt Medeiros (28:36)
filtered API responses. I just see MCP as like just making it even more cloudy and more messy. I like the idea of it. And maybe it's just so far early on, like we haven't seen it mature, but I'm just like, is this really it? What are your thoughts? Do you have any thoughts on MCP?

Justin Nealey (28:45)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean, I was super excited with the WordPress MCP plugin and having the MCP server actually hosted on the WordPress site. I thought that was super cool. Like you didn't need that extra access or the extra server to have to pass through. Now deprecated, so we had to figure out that whole whole system. In theory, like it's it. You don't have to create agents that know how to interact with the REST API. Like it's it just does it.

But now we have to figure out where these MCP servers live and that costs money to somebody. It's not free unless someone comes up with that locally or WordPress hosted solution again, that is secure, which was what the big issue was. I don't know. In theory, it unlocks a lot. know internally we use MCP a lot to interact with different products inside of GoDaddy. But externally, it's a whole different ball game of how we keep things secure and not cost a ton.

Matt Medeiros (29:28)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It makes you wonder if everyone will have, like everyone has their own website, maybe everyone has their own MCP server, and maybe in the future GoDaddy is a place where you can go get an MCP server for your stuff. Like here's all my information, here's how I want you to react to me, or here's how I'll respond to you, and I host my own MCP at GoDaddy for $5.99 a month. And other AIs will just come in and chat with that and I'll give access to it. Yeah, it's a...

Justin Nealey (30:05)
Yeah.

Matt Medeiros (30:21)
Anyway, it's a of a soapbox. Yes, a bit of a soapbox moment, but the MCP stuff, I'm still like most things not sold on it until I can see like true open adoption, right? Like everyone thought RSS was the smartest thing. And I also agree it's the smartest thing, but every social media platform killed it because it was just a free way for people to distribute content. And they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, we, we, must distribute content in our silo. And then to reach everyone, you must pay us.

Justin Nealey (30:22)
Not a bad idea.

Yep.

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Matt Medeiros (30:51)
advertising dollars so that you can boost this post to get access to it. It's like I could have just given them my RSS feed and they could have just subscribed to it. Yeah, but that's a whole other that's a whole other ball of wax. Aero site designer. We check out the spread on the WP Minute Exploring GoDaddy's Aero site designer written by Eric Karkevac. He also has a walkthrough ⁓ demo of his experience, which Justin will be happy to know. Thumbs up from Eric.

Carcavac. Justin, anywhere else you want folks to go to explore and learn more about this or to explore and learn more about you or both?

Justin Nealey (31:26)
⁓ just, the good eddy blog, good eddy.com slash resources. have a bunch of stuff on there related to AeroSight designer and there's other related info on running your business. but yeah, we have a lot of the cool things coming. I'll have a updated change log. don't have a URL for it yet. of just, we're, we're essentially trying to put ourselves out of business before somebody else does. And we have this new version of site designer coming out in about a month, with a lot of other cool iterations with it.

⁓ sticking to core and WordPress. And then we'll also look to see how we can start to give back a bit more than we already do.

Matt Medeiros (32:00)
Next event you'll be at, maybe WordCamp US in your hometown.

Justin Nealey (32:04)
Uh, definitely there. I'll be at Vistara at the end of the month, uh, up in Denver, which is a, an agency type summit conference, which is pretty cool. And then, yeah, probably work camp us for sure. That's just in my backyard.

Matt Medeiros (32:17)
Vistara have

not heard of that one. I should know these things. For agencies you say? Cool. Well, sweet. Yeah, look for Justin there. We'll get that link in the show notes as well. If not, see him at WordCamp US. Everybody else at the WPMinute.com, the WPMinute.com slash subscribe. To join the newsletter, it's number one way to stay connected. See you in the next episode.

Justin Nealey (32:23)
Yes. I'll send you a link.